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5. Jesus: A Vivid Word Picture
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Now we begin our excursion through the book of Revelation and some of the world of eschatologyEschatology
Eschatology is the theological word that is used to describe the events which have to do with the end of this age and the fulfillment of the Kingdom of God. (NIV). . In eschatological writings, biblical writers often used “end-of-the-world language metaphorically to refer to that which they well knew was not the end of the world” (G.B. Caird, The Language and Imagery of the Bible
As we begin, we must remind you that we are not attempting to interpret each word or verse in Revelation, but to give you as a reader an interpretative guide which will help you uncover some of the mystery of the book and possibly help you in decoding some of the metaphors of the author so you can understand what he said.
BackStory
Remember, the book is believed to have been written in about A.D. 95 by John the Apostle, from Ephesus after his imprisonment on the Island of Patmos. The Roman Caesar during the time was Domitian. He was the first in the long line of Caesars that decided to allocate to himself divinity while he was still alive. Folks were commanded to worship him, so he built temples in which he could be worshipped. The largest of these temples was in Ephesus. John, most likely the functional pastor of the Ephesian congregation, did not take kindly to this edict and refused to bow to any other god. Domitian could have martyred him, but martyred heroes only cause the followers to grow in fervor. So, instead of martyrdom, Domitian had John exiled to Patmos not far off the coast from Ephesus (today’s Modern Turkey) in the Aegean Sea. Rome, under Domitian, began to heat up the persecution of those in and around Ephesus. John wrote this book to speak to the churches and assure them that God was bigger than Domitian and that Domitian would eventually loose his grip over them.
INTRODUCTION 1.1-8
Superscription to the Book (1.1-3) Revelation 1.1-3
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. (NIV).
The book of Revelation begins by telling its reader that it is a revelation of Jesus Christ. The simple definition of the word revelation is to uncover something that has been concealed. However, its use in the New Testament has a distinctly different connotation. The word usually means a supernatural revelation of divine truths which are unknown to humankind and which individuals are incapable of discovering on their own, as Paul suggests in his book to the Galatians and at the conclusion of his book to the Romans (Gal. 1.11-12) Galatians 1.11-12
I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus. (NIV). ; (Rom. 16.25-27) Romans 16-25-27
Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all nations might believe and obey him—to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen. (NIV). .
The book of Revelation was meant to be read in Christian worship (1.3)Revelation 1.3
Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. (NIV). . Notice that there is a blessing attached to the one who reads and to those who listen. We can deduce from that several things. There may have only been one scroll and it was passed from church to church and read aloud while others listened. This also may give us a clue as to how manuscripts were copied in those days: one reader several copiers. This would certainly account for the minor scribal errors that appear in the text of the manuscripts.
Try this on for size. Get a group of people together and read the text of Revelation aloud with this proviso: No discussion about the book, no attempt to interpret what it means, just read and listen. This is about a two hour exercise at the reading rate of five minutes for each of the twenty-two chapters. I took a small group through this process one time and divided it up into two evenings and also divided up the reading among anyone who felt comfortable in reading aloud. At the conclusion of the second week, the reaction was, wow! I heard and saw things that I never knew was there before. It is really worth the time and energy to do this. After all, there is a blessing attached to the reader and the hearers. So why not give it a try.
Greeting and Salutation (1.4-5a)Revelation 4-5a
John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. (NIV).
John identifies himself in the typical ancient letter format as the author. He wrote to the seven churches in Asia wishing them grace and peace. This is the first occurrence of the number seven in the book. The number seven represents completeness or perfection. In Judaism seven had special significance because of the Sabbath (the seventh day), the sabbatical year, and the Year of Jubilee (the year of release after seven sabbatical years). It may be possible that these seven churches represent the complete church for which Jesus will address his commendation and condemnation. Grace and peace proceed from a threefold source. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The phrase seven spirits represents the Holy Spirit in his fullness of life and blessing. We will take a look at numbers as symbols in our next session.
A Doxology to Christ (1.5b-6)Revelation 1.5b-6
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. (NIV).
In this doxology John gave praise for the resurrection, for Jesus being ruler of the world, for the freedom from sin, for making his followers a kingdom of priests. For these acts of God, Jesus deserves our praise.
Why not turn these into four days/weeks of spiritual practices. Try the following:
- Begin by meditating about the resurrection of Jesus. Ask yourself why the resurrection of Jesus is so important to your faith.
- Next, contemplate on Jesus as the ruler/king of the whole world/universe. How does thinking in a concentrated fashion demonstrate his “bigness” over against any “problems of life we face?”
- Then, think about what it means to have an available road that is free to our choice that is free from sin. I know, I know, folks think they have to sin. What if sin was a choice on our end and there was nothing mandatory about it?
- Finally, think about what it means to be a priests. One sent as a minister of Jesus to and for the sake of the world. What ministries for the world are you involved in? By that I mean what ministries for the sake of your community do you participate in? What I don’t mean is ministry to those in the church that you participate with, like Sunday School teacher, usher, choir member, etc. While those are important, we need to be ever reminded that the doors of the church should swing outward toward the community.
The Theme of the Book (1.7)Revelation 1.7
Look, he is coming with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will
mourn because of him.
So shall it be! Amen. (NIV).
The focus of the book of Revelation is that Jesus is coming again. Yes, it is true, John believed that Jesus who had ascended would return. We have many pictures in the church about what this will look like and only a few pictures in scripture that gives us clues. Of course, we have found text in Scripture that don’t provide the picture that we have developed around said text. Think about 1 Thessalonians 4.13-181 Thessalonians 4.13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words. (NIV). . The is a favorite haunt where the pretrib folks love to hang out. They are ecstatic about the words “caught up together” and use it as a “prooftext” for rapture. They fixate on the word “we” and read it as “themselves,” when in fact it refers to Paul and the Thessalonians and points to a reasonable conclusion that Paul believed that he was going to be alive at the close of this age and the consummation of the age to come. By the way, I wrote a parody about the rapture and you can see it here: The Rapture Manifesto.
The Divine Imprimatur (1.8)Revelation 1.8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” (NIV).
The personal imprint of God is placed on the writing of this book.
THE FIRST VISION. Part 1: 1.9-3.22
The Revelator: The Glorified Christ (1.9-20) Revelation 1.9-20
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”
I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and among the lampstands was someone “like a son of man,” dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. In his right hand he held seven stars, and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.
When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
“Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches. (NIV).
This section describes the occasion of Revelation. It is a vision of Jesus, exalted and glorified and caring for his church. These verses are the background and condition for the entire disclosure of “What must soon take place.” John was in the spirit on the Lord’s day. Believers are all in the Spirit. We live in the Spirit. We walk in the Spirit. Paul wrote, And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ (Rom. 8.9b). But, for John this phrase in the Spirit means to have an ecstatic experience, like entering into a trance as Peter (Acts 11.5) and Paul (22.17) did. Or, like the experience that Paul had when he was caught up into the third heaven (2 Cor. 12.2). John sees visions while in this ecstatic state and records the visions, which forms the text of Revelation.
Over the centuries the Spirit has acualized again and again, and the results of his acualization in various groups has caused some serious discomfort with those who practice their Christianity from a cerebral-rational sphere. Don’t get me wrong here, there are always abuses of what the Spirit is actually doing at any given time. There are always cloners who try to duplicate what the Spirit is doing or has done. There are always mourners, who like attending a funeral and burial, have laid to rest the notion that the Spirit has the ability to move in a spontaneous fashion, today. Dispensational theology often fits into the latter category by suggesting that these kinds of ecstatic experiences for the most part have ceased to occur.
There is often a mess when the Spirit reveals himself in presence and power. But, abuse is not a reason for disqualification of activity that may be genuine from the Spirit. Those who make rules in advance to control the Spirit often miss what the Spirit is doing at any given time. Those who make no rules but work afterwards to clean up the mess often get rebuked by the populists who have chosen to believe that the Bible forbids the Spirit to move in a way that they do not understand from a rational standpoint.
Our worldview differs from the worldview of Scripture which causes us to read what happen then as okay, but it’s not okay for the same thing to happen in the present. Within the groups where the Spirit once moved in a certain way, there is always a longing for the good old days and these gourps often try to resurrect the move of the Spirit whose rhythm is no longer present in the same ways. Ever wondered why some always want to go back to the good old days and have difficulty going forward to better days? What gets my goat, (now there’s a figure of speech for you) is that those, in whose presence the Holy Spirit arrived to do his work in a specific way, have now made that way the form in which one is expected to receive from the Spirit or what has been received is not seen as authentic. How do we get there? I better move forward. As one might say in the South, I stopped teaching and gone to meddlin’.
In this vision, John saw the glorified Christ and presented him to his readers in vivid word pictures. Word pictures are important in the book of Revelation.
Scripture is full of similes and metaphors. We use them in our speech often during the course of the day. We think nothing of it. We certainly don’t use them in a way in which we expect the hearer to whom we speak or write, to understand what we have said or written in a “wooden” fashion. Here are just a few to think about:
- A heart of stone.
- He has the heart of a lion.
- She is my compass.
- Love is a lemon - either bitter or sweet.
- She is rolling in dough.
- The lawyer grilled the witness on the stand.
- The boss was boiling mad.
- My desktop is cluttered with icons.
- In Seattle, it is raining cats and dogs.
No one expects us to take these metaphors in a “wooden” fashion; we just know what they mean when we hear them. The same is true for the metaphors in Revelation. The hearers knew what they meant. It is we who needs a bit of help because metaphors don’t necessarily skip across centuries or even within a culture in the same century.
I once saw the following word picture of Jesus sketched out in a piece of art in which each detail was kept in a literal form. It was grotesque, well at least it was to me.
Here is John’s metaphorical picture of Jesus.
- Dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. Jesus wears the high-priestly garments. This suggests that the reader is to understand the high-priestly function of Christ as the one who is being revealed in this book.
- Hair white as wool. A description of God in the Old Testament (Dan. 7.9) is transferred to Jesus. The hoary head was worthy of honor and conveyed the idea of wisdom and dignity.
- Eyes like a flame of fire. This reflects the penetrating insights of the Lord who is sovereign over the churches.
- Feet as burnished brass. The bronze-like feet portray strength and stability.
- Voice of many waters. This represents the awe-inspiring power of a great waterfall. This kind of picture is used of God in Ezekiel 43.
- Seven stars. These are the seven angels (leaders) of the churches (cf. v. 20).
- Double-edged sword. A picture of the irresistible power of divine judgment. It is the word of Jesus that will ultimately prevail.
- Face like the sun shining in all its brilliance. This is a description of the glory of the exalted Christ. Not unlike what John witnessed at the transfiguration (Matt. 17.2).
When John saw the exalted Christ, he fell as dead. A bit different physical response that the seeing the Buddy Jesus in the film Dogma. Jesus reached out to John with his right hand and gave him a word of assurance. The laying of the right hand communicated power and blessing. Jesus declared himself alive and well and that he had power and authority over the domain of death and Hades. Keys in Jewish thought were a symbol of authority. Death had lost its terror. Jesus had the keys that would unlock the grave and lead the dead into life after, life after death. The vision ends with an interpretation by Jesus of the seven stars and the seven lamp stands. The stars are the leaders of the seven churches and the lamp stands are the churches.
Questions for Discussion
Use the comment section below to make comments the following questions.
- Somewhere in the world folks are persecuted for their witness of Jesus. Why do you think those in a free society are afraid to be clear witnesses in a culture where persecution is not a treat?
- What is a clear witness?
- The metaphorical picture of Jesus that John paints with words is majestic. What emotions do you sense when you see Jesus in this light?
- What emotions do you sense when you see the picture of Buddy Jesus?
22 Comments »
May 26, 2007
rose :
test
DrWinn :
Rose,
You passed!
Winn
rose :
What is a clear witness is a good question. I don’t personally know anyone that is currently persecuted for their faith - for being a clear witness that is - so I would not attempt to even understand what that might mean …as for what a clear witness is in my context? Here are a few thoughts:
living a life to the best of one’s ability and out of empowerent by the Holy Spirit to be kind, gentle, joyful, patient, honest, forgiving, peaceful and the like - to not apolgoize for being a follower of Jesus even if it would seem embarrasing to admit and finally out of a life connected to the love of God be able to give that out to others…and if asked about my life and faith to give an honest, unresounding answer that I love God for all that he has done for me…
May 27, 2007
DrWinn :
Rose,
As with most things, the Enlightenment Project produced a rash of reductionism. Witness was reduced to things like the “Four Spiritual Laws” and “door-to-door” evangelism with the sole intent of putting an argument to people demonstrating that they were sinners and needed salvation so they could go to heaven when they died. If they surrendered they prayed the “sinners prayer” and got their barcode, so they could be successfully identified upon entry into eternity. Sound familiar?
Living openly, lovingly, and for others with Kingdom of God attributes such as the “fruit of the Spirit” was not prioritized as “witness.” If it was, it was more like “sissy” witness where “speech and argument” was seen as “real” witness. Of course, Paul introduced what he calls the “fruit of the Spirit” which is love, out of which come all kinds of lifestyle corrections. I believe for him, the “fruit” was a tangible demonstration of the “age to come” entering into “this present evil age.” It was the lifestyle of the future being brought into the lifestyle of the present. It was living the future now as though it was then. Living in this way surely would produce abundant conversations about why one is living differently than others in our physical communities. Telling one’s story in lifestyle would surely allow for opportunity to tell one’s story in words where one can give and honest, resounding, answer that she/he loves God. There is little or no argument that can be given for a life change. When the blind man in Scripture told his story, “I once was blind, but now I see,” having known the life of the blind man who was now a seeing man, who would argue.
Yes, to live well and to talk well, we need to be empowered by the Spirit. His presence and power is not just for healing the sick and casting out demons. His presence and power are needed to help us live a Kingdom present life in the midst of an age gone amuck. When was the last time that when faced with a choice of a decision to be Kingdom person or “an amuck person” we stopped and even briefly asked for the power of the Holy Spirit to decide in favor of being a Kingdom person? I better stop now, I’m talkin’ too much here.
Winn
Andrea Estes :
My husband and I work with students of all ages, junior high through college-aged and I do see many of them living as clear witnesses in the midst of various occupational, school and family settings…not afraid to make life-choices and have conversations about their faith. I think our church does a great job of showing practical ways to demonstrate the Kingdom of God in everyday life. I’ve had the conversation several times about our general lack of persecution as a national Church, though I do think there are types of persecution we experience in our culture. We may not experience the blatant and wholesale persecution that other believers in other cultures do, but I believe there are still “costs” we have to pay to be believers in our culture (or at least there should be)..economic choices we have to make, professional choices, being rejected by family members that don’t understand our faith, etc…. My family lives a life of economic simplicity because we have chosen to give ourselves to full-time service in the church…that’s an economic and social cost I have had to embrace that I do believe speaks as a witness to what I have given my life to as a believer. We could have pursued careers that brought us more money to play and own things, in and of themselves not necessarily wrong, but we have embraced not having many things society tells us are our “right”. As I read the description of Jesus here I am painfully aware that I don’t know him very well. I know of the “suffering servant” Jesus in the Gospels, with a few glimpses here and there of his glory, but this picture John describes is amazing. I have the feeling there is a lot more for me to grasp of the “conquering King” Jesus and that there are huge ramifications for my understanding of his sovereinty in this world. Last week in church we discussed that we need to know both the “suffering servant” Jesus and the “conquering Lamb” Jesus, too, to truly know him. That’s one reason I am growing to love this book. Buddy Jesus is funny, but he just doesn’t do it for me.
DrWinn :
Jesus, full of wisdom and dignity, strength and stability, when he speaks his voice inspires awe. He is one who will ultimately prevail and whose presence overpowers all foes. When one needs comfort, this is the Jesus that should come to mind.
He is a lot more majestic than even this picture that John presents while at the same time he is with us at all times, one might even say, he is our “buddy!”
Winn
May 29, 2007
David Rummelhart :
it is nice to hear you talk about “just read it and no exogesis.” All I ever hear is Jesus this and satan that, and this is he or she, and…….I cannot wait to hear the rest!
DrWinn :
David,
Thanks for your comments. It is good to read the text of Scripture and listen to it. However, having said that, if we want to understand what God has said and is still saying through the text, we must do exegesis. Even when we read it and listen to it we are in some fashion exegeting the text. It’s not a matter of “will we exegete,” it seems to me rather a matter of how well or how poorly we exegete.
Winn
Gregg Turk :
· Somewhere in the world folks are persecuted for their witness of Jesus. Why do you think those in a free society are afraid to be clear witnesses in a culture where persecution is not a threat?
In my opinion, because so many “weird” people run around saying Jesus this and Jesus that, many of us don’t want to be identified with “those people”.
· What is a clear witness?
Because of the weird label many today are identifying as “Christ followers” or as Tony Campolo says “Red letter Christians. I’ve seen “clear witness” in many third world countries but it is easier in cultures that don’t consider themselves born as Christian. Jesus identified what a “clear witness” should look like in the beatitudes. That scares me in major ways!
· The metaphorical picture of Jesus that John paints with words is majestic. What emotions do you sense when you see Jesus in this light?
Awe, fear and trembling
· What emotions do you sense when you see the picture of Buddy Jesus?
In my life Jesus is both. The Gospels portray Jesus as my friend and brother and Jesus said He would send the comforter in the Holy Spirit who would continue in that roll. But the Jesus who rejoined God after His resurrection is someone His own followers didn’t recognize and is beyond my comprehension. The picture John paints does little to enlighten me beyond recognizing the words demonstrate that it was beyond John’s ability to describe and understand to.
gregg
May 30, 2007
David Rummelhart :
It is true that we do need exogesis, but trying not to is one that I am working on. I want to read it before I assume, yes or no.
Another point is with the dream, or vision, trying understand where John was coming from at that time, and then trying to figure out what it means to us at a present time. When I first read it when I was a young lad, it scared me, yet I did not go to my father who was pastoring at that time, and talk about it. He went to Bible college and eventually received his masters, but I listen to what points you bring up and how he and others depict the word, and it is just wack.
DrWinn :
David,
Help me understand what you mean by “I listen to what points you bring up and how he and others depict the word, and it is just wack.”
Thanks
Winn
David Rummelhart :
what I mean is that what I have learned, I am now trying to unlearn. I was brought up in a pentecostal hell fire and brimstone lifestyle. Over the last 8 years, I learned more about God’s love and grace and peace, which my dad still swears he taught on. But over the last year, I am starting to realize that like Neo have lived in a fantasy world. I did not realize that I needed to look at the Bible as something written in an eastern culture; to open up the Bible, just read a line here and there and fragmented the word. Now I am just trying to read from the Beginning to the End, and listen to what the Lord and the authors were saying. It is also wierd to others think on what did the author meant then, and what does it mean now. Most throw that to the way side, cause it is always the was Jesus read it, though He wrote it….well I hope you know what I mean now by saying, “I listen to what points you bring up and how he and others depict the word, and it is just wack.”
DrWinn :
David,
I also grew up in a Pentecostal hell fire and brimstone church. Yep, I heard some pretty “whacked out” things growing up spending most of my time in fear that the moment I slipped up was the very moment in time that Jesus would return and I would be doomed to a fiery hell for all eternity.
I have often said in teaching that “bad theology is a cruel taskmaster,” recently I had another thought in that vein, “bad theology just makes you stupid.” I begin my journey out of my childhood church when I was about eighteen. I have devoted most of my adult life to studying and teaching Scripture and trying to help others with similar backgrounds survive the theological “wackiness” that they grew up with.
I’m happy you are on such a journey. Here is a short rule of thumb that I learned from Dr. Gordon Fee: “the text only means what it meant to the first hearer.” The job of the present reader is to hear it in that way. Only then can one adequately move to what it means now.
Happy reading!
Winn
June 2, 2007
Robert Pooley :
“The text can only mean what it meant to the first reader.” I think I mentioned this in one of my previous comments… but I really beleive that you look at the text, see who it was written to, try to determine what it might mean to them, and then take the timeless principle from the text to apply to your life… much as you did with the doxology above… which was great. I get so frustrated with many who are so caught up in determining the time of the “rapture” that they never take into consideration what this text might have meant to the actual seven churches to whom it was written… but then even if we do consider the text in the proper way… we still have to see what Holy Spirit wants to teach us from the timeless principle presented there.
Enjoying the study so much Dr. Winn. Thanks
DrWinn :
Robert,
Thanks for your comments. You used the phrase “timeless principle” twice. I know what you are saying. I just have a different way of expressing this. First, thinking about “principles” is a product of Enlightenment Project and a result of reductionism. We have been taught to reduce everything down to a principle, (a basic truth or law). I not sure the Bible produces principles to live by.
Scripture is a narrative, a metanarrative at that. Rather than principles to live by we have been presented with a story to live in. The text/story does have a meaning, which is captured in its historical setting and one that could be understood by it first hearers/readers. The Holy Spirit does teach us our part to play in the story. We usually call this application. But, applications are still reductions.
I have heard teachers, and have been guilty of this myself, say, “here’s how you can apply this to your life,” sorta of “one-size-fits-all” way of dealing with the text. I have tried to break this pattern of teaching for the benefit of my students. I don’t want them to think about a “bit” of stuff here and another “bit” of stuff there to apply to their lives. I rather try to help them understand that they live in a story which they are an “actor/actress” and their part is important to the ongoing Story of God. What they need to be impregnate with is the whole story of Scripture that has gone before, so in there scene they know how to imagine and improvise their part. The Holy Spirit is ingenious at helping us discover how to play our part. Our part is to know the Story so well that he can do his part effectively.
Here’s a link to my blog with a post on telling the story.
http://drwinn.com/2007/04/10/conservative-christianity-telling-the-wrong-story/
Winn
Robert Pooley :
Dr. Winn,
Thanks… I am really mulling over your reply to my comment. It really resonates with me… I went to the link and read the blog entry… Here is my question… I want to challenge my thinking on this… I teach in kind of a Rick Warrenish vein… Here are the application points,etc…
In your blog you mentioned N. T. Wright… While I have seen his name many times, I have never read anything by him. I’m wondering if you can make some suggestions… N. T. Wright and others… that
I can read that might challenge my thinking on this… and help me to grow? Thanks again
Terry Starks :
Robert,
Greetings,
If you go back to the blog link above, you will see a link at the top of the page on the right which reads: “I know I’m Wright”, click on it and you will find a link to another article by NT Wright.
DrWinn :
Robert,
Here’s a start:
http://www.gen2rev.com/resources/ntw/index.shtml
and
http://www.ntwrightpage.com
Both have recommendations of articles and books. You could begin with The Challenge of Jesus or if you want a heavier read The New Testament and the People of God.
Hope this helps.
June 3, 2007
Robert Pooley :
Thanks Dr. Winn… That gives me a small place to start.
June 9, 2007
Penny Fulton :
Okay… this was wonderful. I loved this week (and I’m late). So good to go through the text with you, and actually practical and life changing. So helpful.
DrWinn :
Thanks Penny, I’m glad it was helpful.
Winn
October 10, 2009
Jeramie :
this is the best thanks Winn for all of the work you do.